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		<title>By: jhay</title>
		<link>http://jrocas.com.ph/archives/blog-updates/#comment-126860</link>
		<dc:creator>jhay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pian: We just talked with Jun Lozada last Tuesday at La Salle Greenhills, (I&#039;ll blog about it later on) and again I tell you: &quot;Let he who has no sin, cast the first stone&quot; 
 
We&#039;re not saying Jun Lozada is a saint, naturally, since you&#039;re a defender of GMA, you&#039;d swallow and regurgitate her propaganda that Lozada is just after fame, fortune and a seat in Government. We&#039;re not even talking about Jun Lozada here, what we Lasallians and the greater majority of Filipinos want to know the truth behind the stories of Jun Lozada.  
 
How could facing up to your sins and mistakes then telling the truth to the world, risking life and limb be not a good influence to the youth? 
 
Or do you want us to emulate GMA? Grow the economy, fill our pockets with money never mind that I killed, stolen and lied to the rest of the country? Perhaps you should moderate your greed as well? Natutulad ka na kay Gloria, puro na lang ekonomiya. 
 
But has the economy really improved? I&#039;m sending you something via e-mail, an analysis of NSCB (this a gov&#039;t agency) which validates that our country&#039;s economy has done nothing to combat the worsening poverty in our country. :mrgreen: </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pian: We just talked with Jun Lozada last Tuesday at La Salle Greenhills, (I&#039;ll blog about it later on) and again I tell you: &quot;Let he who has no sin, cast the first stone&quot;</p>
<p>We&#039;re not saying Jun Lozada is a saint, naturally, since you&#039;re a defender of GMA, you&#039;d swallow and regurgitate her propaganda that Lozada is just after fame, fortune and a seat in Government. We&#039;re not even talking about Jun Lozada here, what we Lasallians and the greater majority of Filipinos want to know the truth behind the stories of Jun Lozada. </p>
<p>How could facing up to your sins and mistakes then telling the truth to the world, risking life and limb be not a good influence to the youth?</p>
<p>Or do you want us to emulate GMA? Grow the economy, fill our pockets with money never mind that I killed, stolen and lied to the rest of the country? Perhaps you should moderate your greed as well? Natutulad ka na kay Gloria, puro na lang ekonomiya.</p>
<p>But has the economy really improved? I&#039;m sending you something via e-mail, an analysis of NSCB (this a gov&#039;t agency) which validates that our country&#039;s economy has done nothing to combat the worsening poverty in our country. <img src='http://turbo2.jrocas.com.ph/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pian</title>
		<link>http://jrocas.com.ph/archives/blog-updates/#comment-126801</link>
		<dc:creator>Pian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO JHAY 
The reason why I keep on defending GMA is because our economy has never grown this much, and our democratic system is very illegitimate, such that in the event she&#8217;s ousted, the VP who was voted purely for his popularity with the masses, will take over.  Credit to the economic growths if they can be given to GMA or not is always put in question.  If OFWs deserve the sole credit, then it will be safe to pass on the powers to the VP.  Always questioning the credit arises because of the illegitimacy of our democratic system.  Passing the country under VP&#8217;s care who was elected simply because he&#8217;s only popular with the masses, is just too risky for me, I don&#8217;t want to take the chance.  I care about the country.  While you may have dealt with the problem of corruption though uncertain, there&#8217;s a greater probability our economy will not grow.  I want to minimize the risk first, so we can deal effectively with corruption.  So it&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t care about the plague of corruption, I only want to minimize the risk first.  There are other Asian countries like China and Vietnam with high growth rates which attract foreign investors but which we know are also corrupt countries, even more corrupt. 
 
I do believe the opposition Senators are using Lozada purely to advance the Presidential ambitions of some, and not because they sincerely want to end corruption.  The senate investigation should be as an aid-to-legislation, but they didn&#8217;t pass any law on that, this case should&#8217;ve been brought to the proper forum, which is the court, and these Senators should have cleaned themselves up right in their own backyard.  But no, it&#8217;s obvious to me they&#8217;re simply making a political noise and nothing else. 
I likewise believe he was abducted so his primary motivation was fear more than anything else.  But there&#8217;s also this scenario I read that it was a wrestling match between the government and Lacson.  Lacson did admit meeting with Lozada 6x I think before Lozada left for Hong Kong.  So they may have been cooking up something. 
I think he&#8217;s just taking advantage of his newfound popularity.  He might be eyeing the Senate.  He could be a bad and not a good influence to the youth if he keeps this up.  He&#8217;s teaching this people to go against the law, subvert it and engage in a mob rule instead.  He&#8217;s enjoying this immensely. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO JHAY</p>
<p>The reason why I keep on defending GMA is because our economy has never grown this much, and our democratic system is very illegitimate, such that in the event she&rsquo;s ousted, the VP who was voted purely for his popularity with the masses, will take over.  Credit to the economic growths if they can be given to GMA or not is always put in question.  If OFWs deserve the sole credit, then it will be safe to pass on the powers to the VP.  Always questioning the credit arises because of the illegitimacy of our democratic system.  Passing the country under VP&rsquo;s care who was elected simply because he&rsquo;s only popular with the masses, is just too risky for me, I don&rsquo;t want to take the chance.  I care about the country.  While you may have dealt with the problem of corruption though uncertain, there&rsquo;s a greater probability our economy will not grow.  I want to minimize the risk first, so we can deal effectively with corruption.  So it&rsquo;s not that I don&rsquo;t care about the plague of corruption, I only want to minimize the risk first.  There are other Asian countries like China and Vietnam with high growth rates which attract foreign investors but which we know are also corrupt countries, even more corrupt.</p>
<p>I do believe the opposition Senators are using Lozada purely to advance the Presidential ambitions of some, and not because they sincerely want to end corruption.  The senate investigation should be as an aid-to-legislation, but they didn&rsquo;t pass any law on that, this case should&rsquo;ve been brought to the proper forum, which is the court, and these Senators should have cleaned themselves up right in their own backyard.  But no, it&rsquo;s obvious to me they&rsquo;re simply making a political noise and nothing else.</p>
<p>I likewise believe he was abducted so his primary motivation was fear more than anything else.  But there&rsquo;s also this scenario I read that it was a wrestling match between the government and Lacson.  Lacson did admit meeting with Lozada 6x I think before Lozada left for Hong Kong.  So they may have been cooking up something.</p>
<p>I think he&rsquo;s just taking advantage of his newfound popularity.  He might be eyeing the Senate.  He could be a bad and not a good influence to the youth if he keeps this up.  He&rsquo;s teaching this people to go against the law, subvert it and engage in a mob rule instead.  He&rsquo;s enjoying this immensely.</p>
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		<title>By: jhay</title>
		<link>http://jrocas.com.ph/archives/blog-updates/#comment-126786</link>
		<dc:creator>jhay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pian: For the record, the blog site you linked to is dubious, who ever professes to bring out the truth but hides in anonymity is no different from being a liar. More so, it strikes of being spineless and fence-sitting.  
 
For all we know, the persons behind that site are in cahoots with GMA and her henchmen. 
 
Lastly, it is no longer of high importance whether Jun Lozada is a saint or a hypocrite. Remember what Jesus said, &quot;he who has no sin, cast the first stone.&quot; 
 
We are not talking about Jun Lozada here, we are talking about what Jun Lozada have witnessed and have been involved in. 
 
I may not be a lawyer, but this is the tactic of those who cannot refute the testimonies of a witness: attack his personality and discredit him. They may succeed, your so-called &quot;patriots 4 truth&quot; may succeed but the issue still stands, what is the truth behind the NBN-ZTE deal? And why is the Arroyo administration so paranoid and scared-shitless about it? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pian: For the record, the blog site you linked to is dubious, who ever professes to bring out the truth but hides in anonymity is no different from being a liar. More so, it strikes of being spineless and fence-sitting. </p>
<p>For all we know, the persons behind that site are in cahoots with GMA and her henchmen.</p>
<p>Lastly, it is no longer of high importance whether Jun Lozada is a saint or a hypocrite. Remember what Jesus said, &quot;he who has no sin, cast the first stone.&quot;</p>
<p>We are not talking about Jun Lozada here, we are talking about what Jun Lozada have witnessed and have been involved in.</p>
<p>I may not be a lawyer, but this is the tactic of those who cannot refute the testimonies of a witness: attack his personality and discredit him. They may succeed, your so-called &quot;patriots 4 truth&quot; may succeed but the issue still stands, what is the truth behind the NBN-ZTE deal? And why is the Arroyo administration so paranoid and scared-shitless about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Pian</title>
		<link>http://jrocas.com.ph/archives/blog-updates/#comment-126784</link>
		<dc:creator>Pian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Below is a transcript of a supposedly wiretapped conversation between Joey and Jun I got from a website.  Judge for yourself if Jun Lozada is indeed deserving to be treated a hero, but of course after ascertaining if this is genuine. 
usapang udifuta  
________________________________________ 
TRACK 3... 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.patriots4truth.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.patriots4truth.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Joey (allegedly, Joey de Venecia): Hey Jun. 
Jun (allegedly, Jun Lozada): Hey Joey. 
Joey: Jun, can you hear me? 
Jun: Yeah. Go ahead. 
Joey: Yeah, where are you to put Chair (Abalos)? 
Jun: Ang formula ko doon is kuha ako ng points dun sa 130. 
Joey: Uh-huh&#8230; 
Jun: Di ba? Kasi saan ko pa kukunin di ba? (laughs) Itong mga  &#8230; 
Joey: Kaya lang pare, we need to get some&#8230; at least from&#8230; something from them, di ba? 
Jun: Yeah.. from both sides. P*t@ng!na&#8230; 
Joey: Pare.. start from the thing.. Because he&#8217;s the gatekeeper of the votes. P*ta. I can understand, but not that amount. 
Jun: Oh yeah. that&#8217;s too big, right. That&#8217;s too big. 
Joey: Pare, let&#8217;s develop a plan to talk to him. 
Jun: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So&#8230; 
Joey: And you know what he told me, between you and I. When we were in Hong Kong&#8230; in Shenzen. Don&#8217;t quote me ha. Sabi niya kasi, marami akong&#8230;... Tinanong ko bakit ba ang laki-laki? Singkwenta.. Sabi niya marami ako kelangan bigyan. Pati yung NEDA. He said the word NEDA ha. P*t@ngina. For your information pare. 
Jun: Information? I would understand that&#8230; He&#8217;d like to look at&#8230; 
Joey: Maybe, wait, you can quote me and say, sabi ni Joey meron daw&#8230; sabi mo sa kanya may NEDA dun. (laughs) Di ba? He told me pare. (laughs) 
Jun: Sige, sige&#8230; 
Joey: P*t@ng!na, baka magwala na naman yung&#8230; (laughs) 
Jun: For some reason, I have this chemistry with him. Sabi ko Chair&#8230; In fact, sabi niya, Jun, ikaw na mag-referee bukas ha. Sabi niya, I want you to be there. Ikaw na mag-referee, ikaw na magsabi kung papaano. Sige po Sir, ako na ang mag-aano sa ano&#8230; (laughs) 
Joey: Well anyway, so that&#8217;s where I&#8217;m looking at right now. .. ought to get you.. And then, uh, think of a strategy for Ben (Abalos?), and if you need me to back you up, I&#8217;ll be there. 
Jun: Hey Joey, regarding this Chinese embassy thing. I think I struck a motherload no? I&#8217;ll put them in Roxas Boulevard. P*t@ng!na, di ba? 
Joey: In the Reformation? (Reclamation) 
Jun: No, p*t@ng!na, that&#8217;s not prime. We&#8217;ll put them in the CCP complex. 
Joey: Yup, got it. 
Jun: P*t@ng!na. Yeah, that&#8217;s, wala.. I can ??? that ??? agreement. (I can swing that gddam deal pare) 
Joey: You mean, owned by the Central Bank? 
Jun: Yeah! Can you imagine? P*t@ng!na, same stature as the American embassy, better pa, di ba? The Japanese Embassy is in Roxas Boulevard. The American embassy is there. So p*ta, I just arrived that we put the Chinese embassy right in the midst of it all, di ba? Joey: Yes, yes, of course. That&#8217;s ??? to hear. That&#8217;s foresight. (That&#8217;s perfect) 
Jun: &#8230; don&#8217;t mention my name. I think he knows me well. 
Joey: Gaano kalaki, pare? 
Jun: P*t@ng!na, as much as 15 hectares. (laughs) 
Joey: P*t@ng!na. Tapos siguro kumuha rin tayo dun. Pero we need 10 finances. (10 financers) 
Jun: No, no, no, no. P*t@ng!na. I cannot just tell you all the things that I&#8217;ve been asked to do. But that one I think, I can ??? for ourselves. 
Joey: I&#8217;ll talk to the&#8230; 
Jun: Talk to him right away. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below is a transcript of a supposedly wiretapped conversation between Joey and Jun I got from a website.  Judge for yourself if Jun Lozada is indeed deserving to be treated a hero, but of course after ascertaining if this is genuine.</p>
<p>usapang udifuta </p>
<p>________________________________________</p>
<p>TRACK 3&#8230;</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.patriots4truth.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.patriots4truth.blogspot.com</a>  </p>
<p>Joey (allegedly, Joey de Venecia): Hey Jun.</p>
<p>Jun (allegedly, Jun Lozada): Hey Joey.</p>
<p>Joey: Jun, can you hear me?</p>
<p>Jun: Yeah. Go ahead.</p>
<p>Joey: Yeah, where are you to put Chair (Abalos)?</p>
<p>Jun: Ang formula ko doon is kuha ako ng points dun sa 130.</p>
<p>Joey: Uh-huh&hellip;</p>
<p>Jun: Di ba? Kasi saan ko pa kukunin di ba? (laughs) Itong mga  &hellip;</p>
<p>Joey: Kaya lang pare, we need to get some&hellip; at least from&hellip; something from them, di ba?</p>
<p>Jun: Yeah.. from both sides. P*t@ng!na&hellip;</p>
<p>Joey: Pare.. start from the thing.. Because he&rsquo;s the gatekeeper of the votes. P*ta. I can understand, but not that amount.</p>
<p>Jun: Oh yeah. that&rsquo;s too big, right. That&rsquo;s too big.</p>
<p>Joey: Pare, let&rsquo;s develop a plan to talk to him.</p>
<p>Jun: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So&hellip;</p>
<p>Joey: And you know what he told me, between you and I. When we were in Hong Kong&hellip; in Shenzen. Don&rsquo;t quote me ha. Sabi niya kasi, marami akong&hellip;&#8230; Tinanong ko bakit ba ang laki-laki? Singkwenta.. Sabi niya marami ako kelangan bigyan. Pati yung NEDA. He said the word NEDA ha. P*t@ngina. For your information pare.</p>
<p>Jun: Information? I would understand that&hellip; He&rsquo;d like to look at&hellip;</p>
<p>Joey: Maybe, wait, you can quote me and say, sabi ni Joey meron daw&hellip; sabi mo sa kanya may NEDA dun. (laughs) Di ba? He told me pare. (laughs)</p>
<p>Jun: Sige, sige&hellip;</p>
<p>Joey: P*t@ng!na, baka magwala na naman yung&hellip; (laughs)</p>
<p>Jun: For some reason, I have this chemistry with him. Sabi ko Chair&hellip; In fact, sabi niya, Jun, ikaw na mag-referee bukas ha. Sabi niya, I want you to be there. Ikaw na mag-referee, ikaw na magsabi kung papaano. Sige po Sir, ako na ang mag-aano sa ano&hellip; (laughs)</p>
<p>Joey: Well anyway, so that&rsquo;s where I&rsquo;m looking at right now. .. ought to get you.. And then, uh, think of a strategy for Ben (Abalos?), and if you need me to back you up, I&rsquo;ll be there.</p>
<p>Jun: Hey Joey, regarding this Chinese embassy thing. I think I struck a motherload no? I&rsquo;ll put them in Roxas Boulevard. P*t@ng!na, di ba?</p>
<p>Joey: In the Reformation? (Reclamation)</p>
<p>Jun: No, p*t@ng!na, that&rsquo;s not prime. We&rsquo;ll put them in the CCP complex.</p>
<p>Joey: Yup, got it.</p>
<p>Jun: P*t@ng!na. Yeah, that&rsquo;s, wala.. I can ??? that ??? agreement. (I can swing that gddam deal pare)</p>
<p>Joey: You mean, owned by the Central Bank?</p>
<p>Jun: Yeah! Can you imagine? P*t@ng!na, same stature as the American embassy, better pa, di ba? The Japanese Embassy is in Roxas Boulevard. The American embassy is there. So p*ta, I just arrived that we put the Chinese embassy right in the midst of it all, di ba? Joey: Yes, yes, of course. That&rsquo;s ??? to hear. That&rsquo;s foresight. (That&rsquo;s perfect)</p>
<p>Jun: &hellip; don&rsquo;t mention my name. I think he knows me well.</p>
<p>Joey: Gaano kalaki, pare?</p>
<p>Jun: P*t@ng!na, as much as 15 hectares. (laughs)</p>
<p>Joey: P*t@ng!na. Tapos siguro kumuha rin tayo dun. Pero we need 10 finances. (10 financers)</p>
<p>Jun: No, no, no, no. P*t@ng!na. I cannot just tell you all the things that I&rsquo;ve been asked to do. But that one I think, I can ??? for ourselves.</p>
<p>Joey: I&rsquo;ll talk to the&hellip;</p>
<p>Jun: Talk to him right away.</p>
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		<title>By: Pian</title>
		<link>http://jrocas.com.ph/archives/blog-updates/#comment-126743</link>
		<dc:creator>Pian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe removing the Evil GMA and replacing her with Kabayan will not at all solve our economic woes.  The main problem would be our democratic system.  By getting rid of her, you probably stamped out the corruption problem, but if voters will continue to elect only those who are simply popular but not capable, then the risk of a downward spiral in our economy remains.  You&#8217;re not solving the main problem at all by booting her out, until our voters learn to vote wisely. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe removing the Evil GMA and replacing her with Kabayan will not at all solve our economic woes.  The main problem would be our democratic system.  By getting rid of her, you probably stamped out the corruption problem, but if voters will continue to elect only those who are simply popular but not capable, then the risk of a downward spiral in our economy remains.  You&rsquo;re not solving the main problem at all by booting her out, until our voters learn to vote wisely.</p>
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